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The Education Law Center just released an analysis that shows:
"Under Governor Chris Christie, funding gaps between school districts with the highest and lowest...
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Under Governor Chris Christie, funding gaps between school districts with the highest and lowest student poverty rates continue to grow, increasing four-fold to a staggering $3,875 per pupil since 2008-09. This widening gap is caused by two factors: growth in the population of poor or “at-risk” stud...
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Walter Fields
Walter Fields The challenge to our school finance system is the structural impediments given the reliance on local property taxes. It's why we have an income tax that was a remedy in the 1976 Robinson v. Cahill decision. Tinkering with the funding formula will not result in equity. And the idea that urban school districts are receiving too great a share doesn't wash against the history of our cities being denied investments to raise the quality of life. These disparities are rooted in housing segregation as well and the balkanization of the state into far too many local school districts. The state Supreme Court in Robinson and the Abbott litigation have been clear on the issues of 'municipal overburden.' We need a statewide tax that alleviates the reliance on local property taxes. I have always advocated taxing clothes (a minimal tax) and earmarking revenues for public education. Shoppers in the northern NJ and southern NJ are not going to shop in New York City or Philly to avoid a tax on clothes given the cost of fuel, tolls and parking to shop in those cities. Whatever the source, the issue of funding equity is tied up with the revenue source and housing segregation.
Jeffrey Bennett
Jeffrey Bennett A few caveats here...

1. The Education Law Center is using "weighted" student enrollment, in which children who are FRL eligible count as ~1.4-1.6 students, with additional weighting for students who are LEP classified....See More

Jeffrey Bennett
Jeffrey Bennett Additionally, by the Education Law Center's OWN STANDARD New Jersey puts the second highest percentage of state GDP into education of any state (ie, Tax Effort).

NJ puts 4.6% of state GDP into education, the second highest in the US after Vermont. ...See More
Walter Fields
Walter Fields In addition. from the Black Parents Workshop perspective, we are not inclined to jump on the "give us more" bandwagon when the South Orange-Maplewood School District has not used the resources it has had in the past to address the achievement gap. All this district has done with the tax dollars of Black parents is discriminate against Black children. And that occurred Jeffrey Bennett while you were on the Board. So, your argument for more falls upon deaf ears. In fact, I oppose additional aid unless funds were earmarked to address the achievement gap and the hiring of Black teachers.
Madhu Pai
Madhu Pai Walter Fields, just curious as to what you are using as data points. There is a lot of work still to be done, but we have seen steady benefits of re-allocation of funding toward need e.g. the additional interventionists and resources at SB have shown a much larger student growth percentage at this school vs. all other elementary schools. Given this school's majority black student population, I would say this directly counteracts your rather broad assertion. District data would suggest (though we need to dig into this more) that the driving factor in the achievement gap is economic disadvantage and years in district, not race (though it happens that, in our district, there is racial disparity among economically disadvantaged students). The most devastating achievement gap we have in the district is SPED - outranks race by quite a margin - which over-indexes for both black students and boys. Boys also perform worse than girls along most measures in gen ed. The achievement gap issues we have are quite complex for generalities and must be handled with thoughtfulness and rigor.
Walter Fields
Walter Fields Your response makes absolutely no sense. Race is THE driving factor. We have had countless tales of Black students from middle class families in this district that have been subjected to discriminatory practices. It was 'racial disparities' that caused the district to come under investigation by the US Department of Education Office of Civil Rights. Are you seriously trying to suggest that race is not THE factor. It was the factor that compelled two of the nation's foremost civil rights litigation organizations to file complaints against the district. And, it is race that will cause the district to face litigation in the not too distant future. To suggest race is not driving the achievement gap is bullshit. And, it's why the only thing that will change this district is for it to face judicial sanctions or come under the control of a special state master - both of which are options on the table.
Madhu Pai
Madhu Pai Again, I'm just asking for your data. Not anecdotes or assertions but data. The OCR has a valid job to do, to suss out districts that seem to have disparate achievement numbers and try to get some answers. We were one of many districts cited as having disparate numbers, though if you read the OCR resolution it is clear that the OCR acknowledges the district's efforts to raise the achievement of minority students. Thus, we entered into a resolution agreement with them to dig into data and better understand why these disparities were happening despite the well intentions (as cited by the OCR) of the district. It is after digging into the data (a job still left somewhat undone due to the district's prior lack of adequate data collection as well as the reliance of the consultant to rely more heavily on qualitative vs. quantitative methods of analysis) that we find the points I made above. These facts lend a different lens to the sweeping assertions you are making. We all know that race cannot be discounted as factor but if you have data points that proves out it is THE factor contributing to the achievement gap (and not some combo of socio-economics, gender, classification, race and time spent in district), I'm happy to hear them out and dig further into them. We have a head of analytics now in district - this is a perfect opportunity to truly understand the issues that ail us.
Madhu Pai
Madhu Pai Also, to help lend some perspective on the teaching staff - our teaching staff is approximately 19% teachers of color (using the numbers in the Sage report, which admittedly are 1.5 years old). This is slightly higher than the national average of teachers of color. There are simply not enough teachers of color and finding teachers who are men of color is like looking for a unicorn. Not that we are not trying...
Walter Fields
Walter Fields The OCR Resolution Agreement is not an insurance policy. You are sadly mistaken and completely ill-informed or just patently ignorant if you believe the district has addressed the racial achievement gap. Your assertion is akin to the defendants in Brown v. Board of Education stating in 1955 that the district had complied with the Court's mandate in the 1954 decision. If you don't think RACE is the factor in driving the achievement gap, then show me the white student disparities that show up in the state performance reports for college enrollment post-high school. And to suggest that we should be happy because 19% of the teachers are "of color" is an insult in a district where Blacks comprise about 44% of the student population. You want data. Read the ACLU/UCLA Civil Rights complaint and the OCR data. I guess everyone is just imagining the racial disparities. This is the worse sort of low grade fever bigotry Blacks have to face in this district and nation. There are more than enough teachers of color. YOU are one of the enablers of the discrimination that persists in the district. I suggest you keep posting and commenting, because it's all discoverable. And, hire counsel because you will need it. This time around there is going to be individual accountability for actions on this Board.
Madhu Pai
Madhu Pai Walter, creating a strawman and passionately tearing it down is but a diversion. I am not saying racially disparities don't exist or that we've fully addressed the racial achievement gap. I'm (continually) asking you for data to support your assertio...See More
Walter Fields
Walter Fields Intent doesn't matter. You need to consult your legal counsel. Civil rights laws are unconcerned with intent. Intent is irrelevant except for the fact that a 20 year period of discriminatory behavior shows intent. It's your flawed analysis that makes the district subject to litigation.
Elissa Elliott Malespina
Elissa Elliott Malespina BTW Madhu Pai your 19% number for teachers of color in the district is wrong. Our district does not break out data to differentiate between a teacher who is in direct contact of students on a daily basis vs a secretary or other district employee. So we have no way of knowing exactly how many of the 19% are teachers but I can tell you it is not close to 19%. So please stop using that statistic to try to say we are doing ok in that. I know many men of color or "unicorns" as you called them which is (insulting in my opinion) who have applied for positions and never gotten a call back. I also know other "unicorns" who work in district and are passed over for promotions, are retaliated against by administration for speaking out etc. So while you may be trying ...you are not doing a great job and the "unicorns" that are here helping to give you that statistic you are touting, a number are looking to get out because of how they are treated in district.

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